Session Start: Wed Nov 03 17:55:51 199
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[17:59] <alamark> beep
[17:59] <DM> Hi guys.
[17:59] <Kasin> logs up at standard place <http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/campaign/kasin/>
[17:59] <Kasin> hiya
[17:59] <alamark> as here first!
[17:59] <alamark> i was here first!
[17:59] <alamark> i was here first!!
[17:59] <DM> I noticed.
[17:59] * Kasin grins
[17:59] <alamark> woo hoo
[17:59] <alamark> :)
[17:59] * DM pats Alamark on the head.
[17:59] <Kasin> hah, I was putting the log up
[17:59] <alamark> bugger left my character sheets in the car
[17:59] * Kasin laughs
[18:00] <alamark> ah, but I'm parked just out side
[18:00] * Kasin quickly checks for char sheets
[18:00] <alamark> shall we just go ahead and I get them if i need them?
[18:00] <Kasin> ok
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[18:00] <DM> Bugger, I left my character sheets in Australia! :)
[18:00] <Kasin> :)
[18:00] <DM> Want to start the dice, Glenn?
[18:00] <Kasin> oh yes
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[18:00] <alamark> sorry aboiut that
[18:01] <alamark> i had a session to ozemail as well, adn quitting that quit the ap
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[18:01] <DM> OK, were where we?
[18:01] <dice_bot> the bot is back!
[18:01] <Kasin> try the URL, it might help
[18:01] <alamark> bohemian rhapsody ATM
[18:01] <Kasin> we were discussing the frost giants
[18:01] <Kasin> the council meeting is the next day
[18:02] <Kasin> which is now today
[18:02] <Kasin> Kasin was going to brief the king on the idea of telling the Alterns "from the silent states
[18:02] <Kasin> about the giants
[18:02] <Kasin> that ok with everyone?
[18:02] <DM> BTW, it's Altans.
[18:02] <Kasin> ok
[18:03] <alamark> altans
[18:03] <alamark> ok
[18:03] <DM> OK
[18:03] <Kasin> ok, the council meeting
[18:03] <Kasin> I hope the gnomes brought less luggage this time
[18:03] <DM> :)
[18:03] * alamark grins
[18:03] <Kasin> they will have to start leaving some behind if they try to keep this up
[18:04] <DM> They will have to. Allandrak isn't available for teleport duty.
[18:04] <alamark> Especially the kind with moving parts
[18:04] <Kasin> yes, true
[18:04] <Kasin> Alamark and Kasin/Viv only
[18:04] <alamark> Remind on her living status again?
[18:04] <alamark> remind me
[18:04] <Kasin> If I catch that luggage moving under it's own steam...
[18:04] <Kasin> steam prob being the operative word
[18:04] <DM> She is alive, but pretending she isn't. Hiding in Maret, I believe
[18:04] <Kasin> thats Kasana
[18:04] <DM> ..and training.
[18:05] <Kasin> she is training tho..don't remind me :(
[18:05] <DM> Is it? I thought it was Allandrak as well...
[18:05] <alamark> she's not trainging per se, as I believe she still can;t cast spells
[18:05] <Kasin> lets see...Kasin requires 4 weeks
[18:06] <alamark> though according to wizard sight, she still has the ability, and quite strongly
[18:06] <Kasin> no KASANA can't cast spells
[18:06] <Kasin> ALANNDRAK is training
[18:06] <DM> Allandrak can, and is training.
[18:06] <Kasin> yes
[18:06] <alamark> i require about....when does it stay the same? 10th and 11th both 10 weeks, then decreases 1 week/level
[18:06] <Kasin> hey, Allandrak only requires 1 week of training
[18:06] <alamark> ?
[18:06] <alamark> no
[18:06] <Kasin> 17th is 4 weeks
[18:06] <alamark> oh, i thought you said Alamark
[18:07] <alamark> yep, I need 4 weeks to get to 17th
[18:07] * DM nods.
[18:07] <alamark> then I can relearn all those spells
[18:07] <Kasin> ok, shall we actually start?
[18:07] <alamark> maybe I'd better go get my char sheets
[18:07] * Kasin sighs
[18:07] <DM> OK
[18:07] <DM> Well, Alamark won't play a large part at the conference anyway....
[18:08] *** DM changes topic to 'At the conference. (Castle, meeting room)
[18:08] <alamark> which one?
[18:08] <alamark> war?
[18:08] <DM> I assume that Daegar won't be invited
[18:08] <alamark> yep
[18:08] <Kasin> war council.
[18:08] <Kasin> thats right
[18:08] <Kasin> although I'm sure he will be aroun
[18:08] * DM nods. Staying out of sight though
[18:09] <Kasin> Wilfred will be there, as Kasin's squir
[18:09] <Kasin> and Girak can show how cute he is, by being a pag
[18:09] <Kasin> thus giving us several trustable pp
[18:10] <DM> OK, King Robert will be there. And Renik as well, I guess. Mitsumi and Alamark representing Maret
[18:10] <Kasin> yep
[18:10] <alamark> ooc: what does the bold text mean
[18:11] <alamark> yep
[18:11] <DM> What bold text?
[18:11] <Kasin> nothing. It's up to tour client how it displays i
[18:11] <Kasin> your client
[18:11] <alamark> the sentences Well, Alamark won't and OK, King Robert show up as bold and in colou
[18:11] <Kasin> It's ASCII. Your client may choose to display it differently, like I have mine set to highlight other peoples tex
[18:11] <Kasin> don't worry about it
[18:12] <alamark> yes, but it doesn't do it for everything you guys typ
[18:12] <alamark> it doesn't do it for actions eithe
[18:12] <Kasin> worry about it l..a..t..e..r.
[18:12] <Kasin> please
[18:12] <alamark> ok, ok
[18:12] <DM> OK, I don't remember the name of the various reps, but I guess it doesn't matter
[18:13] <alamark> going to get my char sheets - br
[18:13] <DM> d100
[18:13] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d100) and gets 61
[18:13] <DM> d100
[18:13] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d100) and gets 58
[18:13] <DM> d100
[18:13] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d100) and gets 50
[18:13] <Kasin> Councillor Djan - Elan
[18:13] <Kasin> Knight-Cmdr Talan - Tane
[18:13] <Kasin> General Torvac - Elan
[18:14] <Kasin> Engineer Dreyfus - Ela
[18:14] <Kasin> presumably it's General Torvac actually her
[18:14] <DM> It will be, yes.
[18:15] <DM> Any idea who the other Tanetians are
[18:15] <Kasin> no, thats the only names I hav
[18:15] <DM> OK, I'll make some up.
[18:15] <Kasin> preumably they are the ones in charge, the other one(s) are assistant
[18:16] <DM> Sir Loren. Knight.
[18:16] <Kasin> hah :)
[18:16] <alamark> ok
[18:16] <Kasin> writing these done BTW
[18:16] <DM> Kendel. "Druid"
[18:16] <Kasin> I'll put them up on the web pag
[18:16] <DM> So am I
[18:16] <Kasin> which country?
[18:16] <DM> Both Tanet
[18:17] <Kasin> ok
[18:17] <Kasin> I thought the military council was fairly small BT
[18:17] * Kasin shrugs
[18:17] <Kasin> no matter
[18:17] <DM> I believe an equal amount of reps from each country was called for. If Elan gets three, Tanet will want three
[18:18] <Kasin> assuming they all are her
[18:18] <DM> Although I seem to recall it only being one or two for the military council, and three for the general one
[18:18] <Kasin> yes, thats what I though
[18:18] <DM> In either case, you guys will have the same limits
[18:18] <Kasin> hmm, yes
[18:19] <DM> OK, then it will be K-C Talan and General Torva
[18:19] <Kasin> well, Kasin definitely wants to represent Letnor on the military counci
[18:19] <Kasin> Alamark can be the Matetian military :
[18:20] <DM> Mitsumi can be the assistant. She doesn't get to say anything, but she can remember
[18:20] <Kasin> yep
[18:20] <DM> You can be Letnor, since the other guys aren't sending their leaders. Renik will be your assistant
[18:20] <Kasin> ok
[18:20] <alamark> she doesn't?
[18:20] <Kasin> else the others will want assistants to
[18:20] <alamark> so is the king there or not
[18:21] <Kasin> this way is the path to madnes
[18:21] *** DM changes topic to 'War Council (Kasin, Alamark, Torvac, Talan) (Castle, Meeting Room)
[18:21] <DM> No, the King won't be there
[18:21] <Kasin> he won't be happy
[18:21] <DM> No. But he really shouldn't turn up if the other rulers don't
[18:21] <Kasin> no :(
[18:22] <alamark> i guess so
[18:22] <DM> Besides, the logistics details won't be that fun anyway
[18:22] <alamark> whatever
[18:22] <Kasin> true
[18:22] <Kasin> anyway, how do you want to play this out
[18:23] <DM> We'll keep OOC for most of it. Skip over the generalities until we need to get to details
[18:23] <Kasin> ok, after the intro, small talk, et
[18:23] <Kasin> which Kasin will be not that happy with anyway..
[18:23] <Kasin> she will raise the matter of Alt
[18:24] <DM> OK, this is a bit that needs to be detailed..
[18:24] <Kasin> yep
[18:24] <DM> OK, going IC.... 4warp
[18:24] <alamark> i;ve got general savas on my list, i think for tane
[18:24] <Kasin> "It has come to our attention that the Atans will be in a spot of bother other their northern border soon
[18:25] <alamark> and it's spelt dryfuss on my list, but dreyfuss is probably better anywa
[18:25] <alamark> they already are, to some exten
[18:25] * DM eyebrows raised on the two NPCs
[18:26] <Kasin> particularly with regard to some giant
[18:26] * DM Mitsumi whispers to Alamark (see other screen
[18:26] <alamark> what was the latest news on the ..... (protectorate which turned against Alta with the demon people
[18:26] <Kasin> this puts us, <gestures around the room>, in a very good positio
[18:27] * DM Talan nods.
[18:27] <DM> d100
[18:27] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d100) and gets 4
[18:28] <Kasin> I propose that we, as the silent states, inform them of this, and offer our hel
[18:28] <alamark> ??
[18:28] <alamark> help Alta?
[18:28] * DM Torvac looks shocked. Talan pauses, then chuckles
[18:28] <DM> Talan: I like it!
[18:28] <DM> Torvac: Help?
[18:28] <alamark> Why would we want to make Alta stronger
[18:29] <Kasin> yes, help
[18:29] <Kasin> why should we not help
[18:29] <DM> Talan: Why don't you tell us more details before we discuss a response
[18:29] <Kasin> I see no reason to let the common people of Alta suffer due to the mistakes of their leader
[18:29] * DM Torvac nods mutely, looking worried. Well, more worried than usual
[18:29] <alamark> True
[18:29] <Kasin> Mitsumi has the details..
[18:30] <alamark> ooc: remind me what we know aout the situation in Alta. Someone had marched on their city or something
[18:30] <Kasin> the Titans(sp?)
[18:30] * DM Mitsumi steps to the table
[18:30] <DM> OOC Taytans.
[18:31] <Kasin> occ: thats it
[18:31] <DM> OOC They marched on the capitol, but lost he support of the demon guys and didn't do too well
[18:31] <alamark> ooc: and the common altans
[18:31] <DM> OOC The Kalandirians lost their leader, which is why their army pulled back
[18:31] <DM> OOC You have no info on that
[18:31] <DM> OOC Back IC?
[18:31] <Kasin> occ: ok
[18:32] <alamark> ooc: yes we do - we heard the leader was assassinated in the middle of the night by and unknown forc
[18:32] <alamark> they were supposed to be pretty invincibl
[18:33] <Kasin> occ: drats, have we spoken to Daegar about that yet
[18:33] <DM> OOC That has nothing to do with the common altans
[18:33] <DM> OOC And no you haven't.
[18:33] <Kasin> occ: rats, oh well, thats what the lunch break is for
[18:33] <alamark> back in char i guess
[18:33] <DM> Mitsumi: Through magical means we have learned that Alta will be attacked from it's northern border
[18:34] <alamark> (ooc: forgot about that
[18:34] <DM> Mitsumi: Specifically, a force led by a group of giants is likely to attack Alta sometime in the near future, although the exact timing is uncertain
[18:35] <DM> OOC Remind me if I leave something out... :
[18:35] <alamark> ok
[18:35] <DM> Mitsumi: The giants have some sort of unusual leader, and they are likely to recruit non-giants to form the bulk of the army
[18:36] <DM> Mitsumi: We know that there are goblins in the area, and Ogres and Trolls are also known in those mountains
[18:36] <DM> Mitsumi: With a decent part of Alta's army pulled either to the capitol int he north-west, or the taytan border in the south-west..
[18:36] <DM> M: ..what there is left in that region anyway ..
[18:37] <alamark> So what do you propose, Kasin
[18:37] <DM> M: ..this attack coming from the north-east may well take a large amount of territory before it is beaten back
[18:37] <DM> M. In other words, the cost in civilian lives will be high
[18:37] <Kasin> well, basiclaly, we belt the giants u
[18:37] * DM Mitsumi steps back to her position to behind and beside Alamark
[18:38] <Kasin> Before anything asys anything, I have first dib
[18:38] * Kasin grins
[18:38] <alamark> ok
[18:39] <DM> d20
[18:39] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d20) and gets 14
[18:39] <DM> d20
[18:39] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d20) and gets 13
[18:39] <DM> d20
[18:39] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d20) and gets 19
[18:40] <DM> OOC: Kasin?
[18:40] <alamark> waiting....
[18:41] <Kasin> occ: for what?
[18:41] <Kasin> occ: I'm waiting for their reactio
[18:41] <DM> OOC : Ah, I though you meant first dibs on saying something
[18:41] * DM there is a pause, whilest Talan and Torvac look thoughtfully at Kasin
[18:41] <Kasin> occ: no that was IC
[18:42] <DM> OOC Yes, I know.
[18:42] <DM> Talan: What is dibs?
[18:42] <alamark> So you want to attack the giants before they attack Alta
[18:42] <Kasin> ahh, dibs. It's basically a joke
[18:42] <DM> Torvac: That is hardly a military action
[18:42] <alamark> Dibs is a foreign expression. First dibs means first in, first go
[18:43] * DM Talan nods to Alamark.
[18:43] <Kasin> Basically, we can wait until they attack Alta, or afterwards
[18:43] <DM> Talan: You propose to send in a team of "specialists", then
[18:43] <Kasin> Beforehand is preferable, to minimise casualities amongst the civilian populac
[18:43] <DM> Torvac: Agreed.
[18:43] <Kasin> well, the terrain the distance conspire to prevent an arm
[18:44] * DM general nodding.
[18:44] <alamark> How much notice do you propose to give the Altans of the attac
[18:44] <Kasin> assuming the Altans agreed to an army on their soil in the first plac
[18:44] <alamark> I assume you do
[18:44] * Kasin shrugs
[18:44] <Kasin> as soon as we have decided I would thin
[18:44] <alamark> An army isn't quite the same as a team of specialists..
[18:44] <Kasin> no, it isn't
[18:44] <alamark> What about our civilian/common soldier casualties
[18:45] <DM> Talan: I say we send in a mixed team. Representatives from all our countries
[18:45] <Kasin> agreed
[18:45] <DM> Talan: Present the heads of some giants to the Altan command, and then tell them
[18:45] * Kasin grins
[18:45] <Kasin> it would make for good politics to save the
[18:45] <alamark> It is possible they already know, but I doubt i
[18:46] <Kasin> well, I think anyway
[18:46] * Kasin looks at Renik
[18:46] <DM> OOC BTW, because the local KFC stuffed up my order I haven't had dinner yet. I'm going to order it soon, so my response time will be slightly down
[18:46] <Kasin> we haven't eaten yet eithe
[18:47] * Kasin seems frozen in time, looking at Reni
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[18:49] <Kasin> hmm
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Session Start: Wed Nov 03 18:50:05 199
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Session Start: Wed Nov 03 18:51:18 199
[18:51] *** Now talking in #rpg2
[18:51] *** Topic is 'War Council (Kasin, Alamark, Torvac, Talan) (Castle, Meeting Room)
[18:51] *** Set by DM on Wed Nov 03 18:20:0
[18:51] <Kasin> back
[18:51] <alamark> We can't teleport too many peopl
[18:51] <DM> Talan: Besides, a team of 10 or so can't really be considered an act of war
[18:51] <alamark> Spies?
[18:51] <Kasin> depends which 10
[18:51] <DM> OOC I didn't get a message saying you'd left
[18:51] <alamark> I did.
[18:51] <Kasin> occ: no, I got a message saying you all had tho..
[18:52] <alamark> Kasin has quit IRC (rotterdam.nl.eu.dreamnet.org/ bergen.no.eu.dreamnet.org/
[18:52] <Kasin> occ: i saw it all in the bot window th
[18:52] <Kasin> occ: continue...
[18:52] <DM> Torvac: Yes, quite.
[18:52] <Kasin> It's possible that Alta may claim this is an act of wa
[18:53] <Kasin> however, do they claim the area north of the mountains, or the mounatins themselves
[18:53] <DM> Talan: They 'd be awfully petty to claim it an act of war when we're saving them. They'd be the laughing stock of Alandir
[18:53] <Kasin> yes, they would.
[18:53] <Kasin> It could be used as an excuse to attack us, but they hardly need to explain their action
[18:53] <DM> Torvac: They don't claim the mountains. Well, I don't think they do, anyway. Apart from one or two passes, anyway
[18:53] <alamark> Perhaps, but anation with a religion that narrow-minded worries m
[18:54] <Kasin> I have only met one priest of Alta, and as a person, he seemed nice enoug
[18:54] * alamark looks at Kasin
[18:54] <Kasin> unfortunately, that was not in a professional capacit
[18:54] <DM> Talan: Frankly, I don't think they will attack us. Not until the main problems down here are "removed", anyway
[18:54] <alamark> What are you hoping to achieve
[18:54] <alamark> So why remove them for them
[18:55] <Kasin> because it will minmise civilian casualties
[18:55] <DM> Torvac: It would be safer to just inform Alta. That would worry them just as much, and allow them to handle the threat appropriately
[18:55] <Kasin> I upoose so.
[18:55] <DM> Talan: Well, they do have specialist teams of their own..
[18:55] <alamark> I much prefer that course of actio
[18:55] <Kasin> we could monitor the situation, and offer our help if it decomes appropirat
[18:56] <DM> Torvac (to Talan) But you want to "have some fun".
[18:56] <alamark> Magic and armour can only protect so much against weapons and boulders the size of house
[18:56] * DM Talan shrugs, smiling slightly
[18:56] <Kasin> (to M) are they frost giants
[18:56] <DM> M: The information wasn't specific
[18:56] <Kasin> I assume so
[18:56] <Kasin> frankly, I'd like to battle the frost giants for personal reason
[18:57] <Kasin> if they are, indeed, frtost giant
[18:57] <alamark> Yes, well...
[18:57] <DM> Torvac: I'm sorry, but personal reasons shouldn't come into this
[18:57] * DM Torvac looks apologetic.
[18:57] <alamark> That doesn't really concern us as nation
[18:57] * Kasin nods
[18:57] <Kasin> I agree, else I'd be out there doing it right no
[18:58] <Kasin> (to Talan) how good are their specialist teams
[18:58] <DM> Talan: I'm not sure. I've heard that they are well trained, though. Disciplined - like the armies
[18:58] <alamark> My understanding is that the sheer number of teams is the biggest worr
[18:59] <DM> Torvac: Quite good, from what I've heard
[18:59] <Kasin> I have heard a story of one of their number holding a pass against a goblin arm
[18:59] <DM> Talan: I though they only had a score or so of teams
[18:59] <DM> d20
[18:59] <DM> d20
[18:59] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d20) and gets 17
[18:59] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d20) and gets 15
[18:59] <DM> Torvac: I hadn't heard that
[18:59] <alamark> That's a lot more than we have
[18:59] <Kasin> certainly
[19:00] <Kasin> we only have one between Letnor and Mare
[19:00] <alamark> You can bet each time has a least one or more powerful mages and priest
[19:00] <DM> OOC Was that each team rather than each time???
[19:00] <Kasin> do we actually have any information about them? We can speculate for quite a whil
[19:00] <alamark> Each team yes
[19:00] <alamark> typo
[19:00] * DM Mitsumi steps forwards.
[19:00] <Kasin> occ: disposable arch-mages, what a novel concept..
[19:00] <DM> Mitsumi: If I may?
[19:01] * Kasin nods
[19:01] <DM> me Korvac nods. As does Talan
[19:01] <alamark> so dfoes alamark
[19:02] <DM> Mitsumi: I believe the had 16 teams before the last war started. That number has probably decreased
[19:02] <DM> Mitsmui: One of those teams had a mage. He was ... well, notably less powerful than Simon
[19:02] <Kasin> how good are they?
[19:02] <Kasin> oh, I see
[19:02] <alamark> nod
[19:02] <DM> Mitsumi: They have two other mages of note..
[19:03] <alamark> Does their religion discourage magic at all
[19:03] <Kasin> (To T and T) Simon was (whats his face aggh) apprentic
[19:03] <DM> Mitsumi: ..my sources inform me that one of them can teleport, although I'm not sure if error is involved. It is certain he doesn't do so regularly
[19:03] <DM> OOC Lerahl?
[19:03] <Kasin> occ: yes
[19:04] <Kasin> oh, I see
[19:04] <DM> Torvac: Ah. Not too powerful, then
[19:04] <alamark> And what of their priests
[19:04] <DM> Mitsumi: Their priests don't leave the capitol when they can help it. Certainly none are in their teams. It is also unsure whether their deity grants them spells
[19:05] <Kasin> no spells? oh, of course, I had forgotte
[19:05] <alamark> So why have so many countries fallen to them in the past
[19:05] <Kasin> a big army
[19:05] * DM Torvac nods.
[19:05] <DM> Mitsumi: Discipline. Good leadership. Good logistic support
[19:06] <DM> Mitsumi: And there aren't many mages north of Kaladir. (sp?
[19:06] <Kasin> I was worried for a moment ther
[19:06] * Kasin looks relieved
[19:06] <alamark> Any idea how quickly they could mobilise their civilians if their army was short of numbers
[19:07] <DM> Mitsumi: They generally have local militias who are on duty one day per week, or something like this
[19:07] * Kasin nods
[19:07] <DM> Mitsumi: This gives them a large pool of somewhat trained infantry and archers
[19:07] * Kasin nods
[19:07] <alamark> Their troops must have tremendous morale, given they haven't lost for a long time, if eve
[19:08] <DM> Mitsumi: Probably two t0 ten thousand men, in most provinces
[19:08] <Kasin> I have considered enacting something similiar for Letnor, but the small size of most villages makes it impractica
[19:08] <Kasin> occ: ?
[19:08] <DM> Mitsumi: Yes. They have a huge amount of population
[19:08] <Kasin> occ: how many?
[19:08] <DM> OOC 2000-10000
[19:08] <Kasin> occ: ok
[19:09] <alamark> That's the number of soldiers they have
[19:09] <Kasin> their combined army would have more people than Letnor ha
[19:09] <DM> Mitsumi: No, that is how many soldiers they could levy in a province, given a week or two
[19:09] <Kasin> exlucding the other silent states, the best we can pull in from all sources is 11,00
[19:09] <DM> Mitsumi: Although that number will have decreased with their latest loss, for morale reasons
[19:10] <alamark> How many provinces and protectorates do they have
[19:10] <DM> Mitsumi: Frankly, if we want to beat Alta there is only one good way to do it..
[19:10] <alamark> And that is...?
[19:11] <Kasin> we certianly could not afford to go toe to toe with the
[19:11] * DM Mitsumi pauses.. looking around
[19:11] <DM> M: We don't let them win another war. preferably not another battle
[19:11] <alamark> And in regards to the giants....
[19:11] <DM> M: Their leaders will look for an easy victory somewhere. After their loss, they will need to bolster morale
[19:11] <Kasin> well, they are limited in their abilities to fight other wars, given the lack of people to figh
[19:12] <DM> M: The giants is just what they need - if they can do it with specialists. Their army would take unacceptable losses
[19:12] <Kasin> the only options seem to be the mages, the goblins and ginats, and u
[19:13] <Kasin> hmm, if it became known that they were forced to rely on the silent states for aid, the morale blow to their army would be hug
[19:13] <DM> M: Yes.
[19:13] * DM Talan nods delightedly.
[19:13] * DM Torvac looks worried.
[19:13] <Kasin> in that case, a fairly public warning of the giants might be in orde
[19:13] * Kasin glances at Torvac
[19:14] <Kasin> (to Torvac) concerned that they will attack us
[19:14] <alamark> Publice, as in panic-causing
[19:14] <Kasin> occ: beware the giant, killer, publice! they steal your women and drink your beer
[19:14] <DM> Torvac: No. Concerned that we'll get a hash of anti-giant devices. And growth devices so they can be tested
[19:15] <Kasin> oh, I see
[19:15] * Kasin tries to look properly woried as wel
[19:15] <Kasin> attack of the B grade movie anyone? (in english
[19:15] * DM Talan coughs, hiding his face behind his hand for a moment
[19:15] * DM Renik grins. Mitsumi looks impassive
[19:16] <alamark> Personally, I think that if we have to go up against the Altans, Dreyfus' forces would be immensely um... helpful
[19:16] <Kasin> I agree. Standard troops could not win that wa
[19:16] <DM> Torvac: Yes, in battle they are. It's in peacetime that they get the chance to experiment...
[19:17] <alamark> OOC: Torvac is the perpetually worried guy
[19:17] <Kasin> The Letnorian army is not yet ready to fight a long running campaign
[19:17] <DM> OOC Yep
[19:17] <Kasin> occ: torvac is the representaive of Elan. the country with the gnomes..
[19:17] <Kasin> the troops, and their leader, require some seasoning in working togethe
[19:18] <alamark> ooc:If there's something's big in your neighbourhood - who you gonna call? Giantbusters
[19:18] <Kasin> however, I don't think they will attack the S
[19:18] <Kasin> that will leave the mages at their flank or rear. They would need to neutralise or eliminate that threat firs
[19:18] <DM> Talan: No. Not while you and your friends are around
[19:18] * Kasin nods
[19:18] <Kasin> that is a problem
[19:19] <DM> Talan: Yes. There was a rumour that they hired the so-called "Knights of Shadow" recently. be careful
[19:19] * Kasin coughs
[19:19] * DM Talan looks serious.
[19:19] <alamark> Anyway.. do you propose to make knowledge of the giant attack public enough to cause panic amongst their people
[19:20] <DM> Torvac: Yes.
[19:20] <alamark> Knights of Shadow? That's a contradiction in terms..
[19:20] <Kasin> the Knights are highly skileld and very dangerous. However, I do not believe they will attack us
[19:20] <DM> Talan: Others have been left alone for years, and then suddenly died. Be very careful
[19:21] * Kasin looks at Renik
[19:21] * Kasin shrugs
[19:21] <Kasin> I am always careful
[19:21] * DM Renik shakes his head slightly
[19:21] <alamark> Anyway, what wuld the Altans have hired these "Knights" for
[19:21] <alamark> Isn't that showing weakness
[19:21] <Kasin> I assume they don't broadcast the fac
[19:22] * Kasin looks at Renik and sigh
[19:22] <DM> Talan: Hiring the services of professionals is what they do. Money is one of their strenghts
[19:22] <Kasin> they have enough of it
[19:22] <DM> Ta: And no, they don't broadcast it. But there's always rumour
[19:22] <Kasin> we have a supply laid in in case it should ne necessar
[19:22] <alamark> Hmm...
[19:23] <Kasin> speaking of supplies, Letnor may be purchasing some magical equipment for it's troops. Interested
[19:23] <alamark> These "knights" are assassins
[19:23] <alamark> Wasn't someone in Santonia assassinated recently
[19:23] <DM> Talan: (to Kasin) What sort
[19:23] <Kasin> arrows probably
[19:23] <DM> Torvac: People are killed there all the time. Who knows
[19:23] <Kasin> arrows are safe enough for troops to use at a distance on magical creatures, and are fairly chea
[19:24] <alamark> I mean someone important - an ambassador, wasn't it
[19:24] <DM> Talan: That should be safe enough. How much do they cost
[19:24] <Kasin> don't know yet. Don't have a supplie
[19:24] * Kasin smiles
[19:24] <DM> OOC: Do you mean the one killed in Elan
[19:24] <Kasin> I have several leads on where I can find one thoug
[19:24] <alamark> Ah yes... forgot (ooc
[19:25] <Kasin> (uietly) assuming I can find the tim
[19:25] <DM> Talan: Well, give me the details when you have them
[19:26] <Kasin> I will do. (To To) Do you want me to pass on the details to you as well
[19:26] <alamark> Anyway, back to the Altans..
[19:27] <alamark> So we are going to inform them of the giants and let them deal with it
[19:27] <DM> Torvac: Yes, although I doubt we could afford them. We're still rebuilding from the last war
[19:27] <DM> Talan: And offer to help... if they will let us
[19:28] <alamark> I prefer not to say anything at all, but I'm not adverse to wrning the
[19:28] <alamark> Helping them directly is another matte
[19:28] <dice_bot> oocc: aghhhhh, just remembered who else was meant to be here: the elves and the dwarves. oh wel
[19:29] <dice_bot> occ: oops, wrong window :
[19:29] <alamark> I prefer to wait and see if they ask us, rather than offer our help at the same tim
[19:29] <DM> OOC: Ah yes. Forgot about them
[19:29] <alamark> OOC:Well, i imagine they won't have that different a view to the other countriews
[19:29] *** DM changes topic to 'War Council (Kasin, Alamark, Torvac, Talan, Krell, Elloriel) (Castle, Meeting Room)
[19:30] <dice_bot> occ: ok
[19:30] <dice_bot> occ: agghhh
[19:30] <alamark> ooc: what are their titles
[19:30] <Kasin> oicc: better
[19:30] <DM> E: We must make sure that the civilians don't suffer if we can prevent it
[19:30] * Kasin nods
[19:30] <Kasin> we want to shake them, not kill the
[19:31] <DM> OOC: Krell doesn't have a title. Elloriel is a Warleader
[19:31] <alamark> rank?
[19:31] <DM> OOC That is his rank. Basically the same as General
[19:32] * DM Krell nods slowly.
[19:32] <DM> Krell: Some of my boys would love to go up against giants. We needs some fun, after the last scuffle
[19:32] <Kasin> at the same time, we want to make them stop their agressive ways towards other countrie
[19:32] <alamark> Can they dodge boulders
[19:33] <DM> K: (to Alamark) The trick is not to let them throw
[19:33] <DM> E: That is entirely academic until the Altans ask for help
[19:34] <DM> Torvac: (quietly) Which will happen right after the gnomes stop tinkering...
[19:34] <DM> d20
[19:34] * dice_bot throws the bones for DM (d20) and gets 9
[19:34] <alamark> IMO, committing large forces to this is out of the question. The Valdans would take advantage of it
[19:34] <alamark> And they attack more often than every 50 years
[19:34] <DM> OOC You mean Voldonese?
[19:35] * Kasin nods
[19:35] <Kasin> I would suggest that we offer the Alterns our help at the star
[19:35] * DM Torvac nods grimly.
[19:35] * DM Krell nods enthusiastically to Kasin's suggestion
[19:35] <alamark> ooc: yep
[19:35] <Kasin> it would almost as effective as offering it later, and certainly cause less casualtie
[19:35] <Kasin> although the Altans are not going to apprciate the offe
[19:35] <DM> Torvac: Fine, they won't accept though
[19:36] * DM Talan nods unhappily.
[19:36] <Kasin> (slowly) it will certainly sink what little chance we have left of not fighting them in the futur
[19:36] <DM> E: We could always offer to do the job quietly. I'm sure that word would leak out later anyway
[19:36] <Kasin> sooner or later, they will be marching southwards, through all of our land
[19:36] * Kasin nods
[19:37] <Kasin> thats is certainly an ide
[19:37] * DM Torvac nods, shuddering.
[19:37] <alamark> Not necessarily - if they do badly against the giants it will take them quite a while to recover. Especially if the Taytans take advantage of any resulting weaknes
[19:37] <Kasin> yes, but they will march, unless they are incapable of it. it is part of their religion, or so it seem
[19:38] <Kasin> maybe we need to convince the source of this, hmmm
[19:38] <alamark> Then why would helping them dissuader thyem from attacking us
[19:38] <DM> Krell: (muses) Maybe I should talk to our miners over in Alta..
[19:38] <Kasin> hmm, a little impractical I would thin
[19:38] <alamark> TWouldn't they just see us as making a fine addition to their empire
[19:38] <Kasin> if we "help" them in this way, it won't be helping their moral
[19:39] <DM> E: No, it won't.
[19:39] <alamark> Also, don't forget about our moral
[19:39] <Kasin> it will reduce their losses, but they can probably afford the losses more than the moral
[19:39] <alamark> How will our people see this
[19:39] <Kasin> if their morale is high, they can gain new recruits easil
[19:39] <Kasin> the Altans have not yet attacked u
[19:39] <DM> Torvac: Us helping Alta? As a joke. Either on us or Alta - I'm not sure
[19:39] <Kasin> we are not at war with the
[19:40] <Kasin> occ: how do Letnorians view Alta
[19:40] <DM> Torvac (muttered) Not yet..
[19:40] <DM> OOC They don't generally. Most don't believe it exists
[19:40] <Kasin> no, not yet. It is our duty to make sure that never evenuates, or if it does, that we can handle i
[19:40] <alamark> Given the losses many of us have taken, won't it reflect badly on us voluntarily expending forces on a country that is a known threat
[19:40] <DM> Krell: We wouldn't be expending forces
[19:41] <alamark> Our duty as people or leaders
[19:41] <alamark> Wouldn't we?
[19:41] <DM> K: We just send in adventurers. Any losses can be brought back
[19:41] <Kasin> yes, we would. Time.
[19:41] <DM> K: It would hardly take any time at all... maybe a few months.
[19:41] <Kasin> unfrotunately, Letnor is rather scarce in adventurer
[19:41] <alamark> No offence to Elan, but after the incident with the Santonian ambassador, we lost Mitsumi and Tabon - the latter permanentl
[19:41] * Kasin laughs
[19:41] <Kasin> a few months
[19:42] <alamark> OOC: I assume K is Krell, not Kendel
[19:42] <Kasin> I haven;t the time to even start my advancement trainin
[19:42] <DM> OOC Kendel is not present
[19:42] <alamark> People can be laid to rest permanentl
[19:42] <alamark> OOC: OK
[19:42] <DM> Krell: By giants???
[19:42] <Kasin> no, by other forces
[19:43] * Kasin sighs
[19:43] <Kasin> you may not be aware, but we have recently battled former foes who we thought vanquishe
[19:43] <DM> Torvac: I don't see what we're agruing about. The Altans won't agree to our help
[19:43] <alamark> Well, at this point, I am not willing to offer my assistance to them upfront
[19:43] <DM> Krell: This is about the map
[19:44] <Kasin> tno, they won't. It's the nature of the offer we mak
[19:44] <DM> E: We can't not offer. Unless we don't tell them at all, which is what I prefer
[19:44] <Kasin> Partially. I am not upset about the map however, so do not be alarmed
[19:44] <DM> K: We're fairly pissed ... pardon my elven
[19:45] * DM Elloriel grimaces.
[19:45] * DM Krell winks at Elloriel.
[19:45] <alamark> (re: the map) Yes and no. While I/we were distracted, Maret burned and our home was invade
[19:45] * Kasin shakes her head
[19:45] * DM Elloriel frowns at Krell, then smiles
[19:45] <Kasin> I don't feel we can not tell the
[19:45] <DM> Talan: Burned?
[19:45] <DM> Elloriel: We don't tell them. We just go in there, remove the threat, and never tell them
[19:45] <alamark> Fine tell them, but I want time to consider whether Maret will offer it's assistanc
[19:46] <Kasin> this represents an oppurtunity for us, and a chance to avo9id civilian casualtie
[19:46] <alamark> But how big a danger are the giants
[19:46] <Kasin> and wait for the rumors to start
[19:46] <DM> Elloriel: What rumours? Who outside of this room needs to know
[19:46] <Kasin> (to Ta) yes, our enemies burned down part of Maret's capital as a distractio
[19:47] <alamark> OK, OK - say we go, with or without the Altans. What do each of you propose to send in terms of forces
[19:47] <DM> Talan: (to Alamark) I hand't heard. Please accept my sympathy
[19:47] <DM> K: We can spare a few dwarves. Ones who know about giants
[19:47] <alamark> Thank you
[19:48] <DM> E: We can send a few archers
[19:48] <alamark> Well, Maret would obviously have me, and maybe Mitsum
[19:48] <Kasin> how big should this force be? No more than 20 I would think, for rapid transpor
[19:48] <DM> Talan: Well, our knights probably won't help. Horses would be useless in the mountains. I'd have to ask
[19:48] <Kasin> Letnor will have myself at least
[19:49] <DM> E: 20 would be almost too large. Shall we say three from each country, for a total of 18
[19:49] <DM> K: Don't play politics. Send those who'll kick giant backside? (mutters) 3 from each countr
[19:49] <alamark> Maret doesn't have 3, unless we brought in a scou
[19:49] <DM> OOC ! not ?
[19:49] <Kasin> on average. some countries may want to contribute more or less, depending on what forces they have that are suitabl
[19:50] <DM> K: That sounds better.
[19:50] <DM> Torvac: About all we could send would be a few gnomes. (quietly) I you want them..
[19:50] <Kasin> occ: if you want I assum
[19:51] <alamark> ooc: the average maretian guard would be creamed, the scouts would be usefu
[19:51] <alamark> of course we would want the
[19:51] <DM> OOC yep
[19:51] * DM Torvac brightens and beams a smile at Alamark
[19:51] <alamark> They would be most helpful - given the limited usefulness of armour against boudler
[19:51] <Kasin> we need at least alamark and myself, just to tranport everyon
[19:51] <alamark> ooc: sorry for the typo
[19:51] * Kasin grins
[19:52] <Kasin> deopends on the armour
[19:52] * Kasin nods
[19:52] <DM> Torvac: I'm sure they could bring some useful devices
[19:52] <alamark> and alanndrak
[19:52] * Kasin nods to Krell
[19:52] <alamark> weight is a bit of a problem, to some exten
[19:52] <Kasin> I think alaandrak would prefer to trai
[19:52] <DM> Talan: I can ask the druids. And maybe find a warrior. You'd have to give me a week, at least
[19:52] <DM> Mitsumi: (quietly) Weight? That cuts out Beorn
[19:53] * Kasin nods to Mitsumi
[19:53] <alamark> Unless I reduce him then dispel it
[19:53] <DM> Mitsumi: I won't be much good against giants. I think Alamark would be about our only useful representative
[19:53] <alamark> I forgot about Beorn and Brui
[19:53] <DM> Renik whispers something to Kasin
[19:53] <alamark> They would n]be very usefu
[19:54] <Kasin> occ: in another window? there isn't on
[19:54] <alamark> ooc: i have another window, but that wasn;t to me i assum
[19:55] * DM Reniks shakes his head.
[19:55] <Kasin> well, this is a good time to break for lunc
[19:55] <alamark> dinner
[19:55] * Kasin shrugged
[19:55] <Kasin> occ: good idea
[19:55] <alamark> ooc: do you want me to get drive-thru HJs again
[19:55] <DM> OOC It should be noon, I think. So lunch
[19:55] <Kasin> occ: Hannes and I have things to discuss anywa
[19:56] <Kasin> occ: that was occ, but sophie didn't put it o
[19:56] <Kasin> occ: hint, hint
[19:56] <DM> OOC OK. :)
[19:56] <DM> OOC I thought that she thought your lunch comment was I
[19:56] <alamark> ooc: no
[19:57] <DM> OOC: :)
[19:57] <alamark> ooc:it's both in and out i gues
[19:57] <DM> OOC: Hurry back with the food . I want to keep going. :
[19:57] <alamark> ok
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[19:57] <DM> OOC: And we have about 2 hours left
[19:58] <DM> Sorry Boxer, but this is actually a campaign session. If you want to stay to listen that's fine. Can't join in, though
[19:58] <BoxerJoe> Campaign Session ?
[19:58] <BoxerJoe> hehe
[19:59] <alamark> roleplaying
[19:59] <BoxerJoe> hehe it is ok.. Just going around looking in some new channels :o) Checking out opless channels to make sure they are 'prderly
[19:59] <DM> OOC: Just breaking for dinner
[20:00] <Kasin> very orderly, this one
[20:01] <BoxerJoe> Well. I will go then :o
[20:02] <BoxerJoe> I am Joe, nice meeting you all..
[20:02] * Kasin wave
[20:02] <BoxerJoe> If you ever have problems or anything, feel free to message me or another ircop :o
[20:02] <DM> Thanks. :)
[20:02] <Kasin> thanks
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[20:16] <alamark> ooc: i'm back
[20:16] <alamark> 
[20:17] <DM> Hi
[20:17] <alamark> so this conversation between Kasin and X happens over lunch, presumably in a different room
[20:17] <DM> OOC Yep.
[20:18] <alamark> that's OOC btw
[20:18] <DM> OOC Munch your dinner. We should be done soon
[20:24] <DM> OOC OK, lunch is over?
[20:24] <Kasin> occ: yep
[20:24] <DM> OOC: Sophie?
[20:25] <alamark> yep
[20:25] <Kasin> occ: she was playing solatair
[20:25] <Kasin> :)
[20:25] <alamark> haven't quite foinished eatin
[20:25] <Kasin> occ: lets keep going anywa
[20:25] <alamark> ok
[20:25] <DM> Kasin comes in when lunch is almost finished and gets to have a few bites before the meetings starts up again
[20:25] <DM> OOC The meetings starts again
[20:26] * DM Renik looks at Kasin questioningly
[20:26] * Kasin will endever not to be unladylike in camming her mout
[20:26] * Kasin learns over to Renik
[20:26] <Kasin> occ: leans over
[20:27] <alamark> ooc: kasin could learn a few things from renik :
[20:27] * DM Reniks nods slightly.
[20:27] <DM> OOC LOL
[20:27] <Kasin> occ: grin
[20:27] <alamark> Anyway...make your save
[20:28] <alamark> ooc: hannes - other windo
[20:29] * DM people settle down and look at Kasin
[20:29] <Kasin> ok, lets get started the
[20:29] <Kasin> I hope everyone enjoyed your lunc
[20:29] * DM Talan nods slightly.
[20:30] <Kasin> we were discussing putting together a force to engage the giant
[20:30] * DM Krell nods enthusiastically
[20:30] * Kasin smiles at Krell
[20:30] <alamark> we still need to resolve the decision on when to tell the Altans, if at all
[20:31] <Kasin> well, you haven't change
[20:31] * DM Krell frowns slightly.
[20:31] <DM> K: Except in the way that matters
[20:31] * Kasin sighs
[20:31] <Kasin> My apologies if I have offende
[20:31] * Kasin looks unhappy, a there is a hint of hur
[20:31] <alamark> Anyway....
[20:32] <Kasin> i didn't mean...anyway
[20:32] * DM Krell shakes his head fractionally
[20:32] <DM> K: Let's get on with this
[20:32] * Kasin is looking upset
[20:32] * DM T, T and E look puzzled.
[20:32] * DM K is looking grim.
[20:32] * DM Renik lays a hand on Kasin's shoulder
[20:33] * Kasin blinks a bit
[20:33] * alamark attempts to look impassiv
[20:33] * Kasin looks around for someone else to start talkin
[20:33] <alamark> About telling the Altans...
[20:33] <DM> E: I don't think we should
[20:34] * DM E looks around sternly.
[20:34] <DM> E: Not if they'll refuse our help
[20:34] <alamark> (to E) Why is that?
[20:34] <DM> E: I still say we just go in there. The doing of the job is the most important
[20:35] * Kasin nods
[20:35] <DM> To: What about Alta?
[20:35] <DM> E: They won't attack for a short while - and this way they can't win the battler either
[20:35] <DM> E: Let their loss fester.
[20:35] <DM> OOC ...living it up at the Hotel California..
[20:35] <alamark> I see.
[20:36] * DM Krell nods in agreement.
[20:36] <alamark> Do we have any info on the numbers of the giants
[20:36] * DM Most people look at Mitsumi who shakes her head
[20:36] <DM> M: I can try to find out. Now, if you want
[20:37] * DM Various people nod.
[20:37] <alamark> Yes
[20:37] <alamark> That would certainly influence my decisio
[20:37] <DM> M: OK. I'll be back in about ten minutes
[20:37] * Kasin nods
[20:38] * DM Mitsumi turns and leaves...
[20:38] * Kasin looks more composed
[20:38] <DM> Talan: I hate to say it, but she seems far more efficient than our druids at divinations
[20:38] <alamark> It's her job
[20:39] <Kasin> she is very good at it
[20:39] <alamark> Her main skill, I guess you could say - information-gathering
[20:39] * DM Renik removes his hand from Kasin's shoulder
[20:39] <Kasin> the best teams are made up of a mixture of different abilities and talent
[20:39] <DM> Tor: We could use someone like her..
[20:39] <DM> Talan: As could we.
[20:39] * Kasin looks around at everyon
[20:39] <Kasin> I think everyone could
[20:40] <DM> E: In truth she seems quite skilled
[20:40] <Kasin> nod
[20:40] <DM> K: Just as well we have her then, eh
[20:40] * DM Krell grins broadly.
[20:40] * Kasin nods
[20:40] <DM> OOC Shall 10 minutes pass
[20:40] <Kasin> occ: yes
[20:41] <alamark> Well, we know who "wears the pants" in Maret (looking down at his pants) :
[20:41] * DM Various people chuckle politely
[20:41] * DM Krell takes a drink of beer and grins
[20:42] * Kasin bites her tongue
[20:42] * Kasin smiles at Krell
[20:42] <DM> OOC Sophie? Time pass?
[20:42] <alamark> yep
[20:42] <alamark> ooc: just shocking people as usual :
[20:42] * DM Mitsumi comes back in.
[20:43] * alamark looks expectant
[20:43] <DM> M: There are close to one hundred giants, although only about a third are combatants
[20:43] * Kasin nods
[20:43] <Kasin> should be over and done with quite quickly the
[20:44] <DM> M: Apparently their leader is something different though. A mage of some type. A giant mage
[20:44] <alamark> Ogre mage?
[20:44] * DM M shakes her head.
[20:44] <DM> M: No, a giant.
[20:44] <Kasin> a giant mage...any idea how skilled
[20:44] <alamark> I don't suppose they have a shaman as wel
[20:45] <alamark> ?
[20:45] <DM> M: Apparently fairly. Not great in combat though
[20:45] <DM> M: Not as far as I know, Alamark
[20:45] * Kasin nods
[20:45] <Kasin> as in not a combat mage, or not a physical creature
[20:45] <DM> M: Not a combat mage.
[20:46] <DM> M: They are apparently fairly prepared and alert, and have several hundred smaller creatures enslaved as guards and such
[20:46] <Kasin> oh, well that makes a differenc
[20:46] <DM> M: Mainly goblins and ogres
[20:46] <alamark> Hmm...not so good
[20:46] * Kasin shrugs
[20:46] <alamark> Do they actually live in caves in the mountains
[20:47] <alamark> Smoke them out, then attack, perhaps
[20:47] <Kasin> we had best make sure those going are prepared for thi
[20:47] <DM> M: I didn't ask.
[20:47] * DM Mitsumi looks annoyed at herself
[20:47] <alamark> But it's a reasonable assumption
[20:47] <Kasin> caves could make a difference. caves mean passages, passages means trap
[20:47] <DM> M: Unless they are civilised yes. Then they may have some form of buildings
[20:48] <Kasin> occ: traps lead to exprience..oops, not a rogu
[20:48] <DM> M: They will have shelter. If they have a mage they will have defenses
[20:48] <Kasin> the other giants had a fortres
[20:48] * DM Various people are frowning by this stage
[20:48] <DM> Torvac: Sounds like a tough job
[20:48] <Kasin> will this to a problem (to the others
[20:49] <alamark> If they live underground or even just in caves, a death fog or cloudkill would help flush them out
[20:49] * Kasin nods
[20:49] <alamark> Hmm.
[20:49] <DM> E: We can't afford to wear them down. We need to be in and out before Alta finds out what is going on. They probably keep track of the major people in the area somehow...
[20:49] <alamark> Which giants had a fortress
[20:49] <Kasin> the frost giants, up north
[20:49] <DM> R: The frost giants.
[20:49] <Kasin> the ones with the sword
[20:50] <Kasin> occ: removbe that ?
[20:50] <alamark> I wouldn't be surprised if they regularly scryed on us - it seems the story of my life..
[20:50] <Kasin> well, we would probably notic
[20:50] <Kasin> divination magic more likel
[20:50] * DM Mitsumi nods.
[20:50] <DM> M: I'm sure they must have some of that, of not much
[20:51] <Kasin> well,mages aren't very good at that sought of thin
[20:51] <Kasin> and if their priests don't get spells..
[20:51] <alamark> whatever
[20:51] <DM> M: There is that.
[20:51] * Kasin nods
[20:51] <Kasin> will it be a problem in getting people? (to everyone
[20:51] <DM> E: No.
[20:51] <DM> K: Heck, no!
[20:52] <DM> T: Give me a week or so.
[20:52] * Kasin smiles
[20:52] * Kasin nods
[20:52] <DM> OOC That was Ta
[20:52] <DM> To: Hmm... I'll dig people up within a week
[20:52] <Kasin> perhaps we want to do it sooner rather than later...(looks at To
[20:52] <DM> E: A week is rather quick, but I will do what I can
[20:52] * Kasin smiles
[20:52] <DM> To: I can probably do three or four days
[20:53] <alamark> Any idea whether their slaves are goblins or more goodly creatures
[20:53] <Kasin> depends on how quickly you want really (to To
[20:53] <DM> M: As I said, mainly goblins and ogres
[20:53] <alamark> There's not much point saving Altan civilians only to slaughter other one
[20:53] <alamark> OK
[20:53] <Kasin> are they frost giants?
[20:54] <alamark> I think we need to know what kind of structures they live i
[20:54] <DM> M: I asked that in a Commune but got a "wrong question"
[20:54] <alamark> If they are in say, a valley, those (gnomish) flying things might be useful to drop things from the air
[20:54] <alamark> Oh
[20:54] <DM> M: Three or four days gives me plenty of time for information gathering
[20:55] <DM> To: Definitely.
[20:55] <Kasin> wrong question...maybe because they don't live in structures, hence what kind of structure is not the right questio
[20:55] <DM> OOC The commune referred to the type of gian
[20:55] <Kasin> anyway, perhaps we could move onto other thing
[20:55] <Kasin> we still have other things to thrash out about interoperability issue
[20:56] * DM Various people nod, relaxing back into their chairs
[20:56] <Kasin> assigning liasion officers, signals, logistics, the list goes o
[20:56] * DM Krell sighs softly and takes another drink
[20:56] <Kasin> and the worst part of all, a command structur
[20:56] * alamark exchanges glances with Krel
[20:56] <DM> OOC shall we fast-forward again? Skip to decisions
[20:56] <alamark> Yep
[20:56] <Kasin> occ: ok
[20:57] <DM> OOC: The following is a quick discussion which is all OO
[20:57] <Kasin> ooc: ok
[20:57] <DM> People will agree with one over-all commander, because that's needed
[20:57] <DM> Most people will want Kasin, of course
[20:58] <DM> After that it becomes more hairy
[20:58] <DM> Basically having units commanded by the appropriate commanders seems the way to go
[20:58] <Kasin> Kasin won't be that happ
[20:58] <Kasin> she will cite her "limited" leadership experienc
[20:58] <DM> Reben will get suggested, but no-one knows him. Kasin is the only one everyone knows and trusts
[20:59] <alamark> Well, at least for the giant attack, I'm happy to follow as tactics is not my strong poin
[20:59] <Kasin> well, Reben is likely to be around to give advice, and the other commanders aren't going to rush headlong after her with their troop
[20:59] <Kasin> what about a language?
[20:59] <alamark> Presumably Beorn and Bruin would do the sam
[20:59] <alamark> Um
[20:59] <Kasin> oh thats right, letnorian is the "military" languag
[21:00] <DM> Correct.
[21:00] <Kasin> is there going to be any kind of staff allocated to Kasin? Liason officers at least
[21:01] <alamark> For what reason?
[21:01] <Kasin> there should be cross allocated liasion staff between all of the force
[21:01] <DM> Kasin can be the commander-in-chief. She will have subordinates (numbers depending on troop allocations
[21:01] <alamark> OK
[21:02] <DM> ie if someone supplies more troops, they have proportionally more commanders
[21:02] <Kasin> ie: Kasin wants someone who knows the individuals countries troops better than she does. there tactics, likes and dilikes, et
[21:02] <Kasin> ok, sounds good
[21:02] <DM> Yep. She'll have to learn the troops, and her sub-commanders will have to learn her
[21:02] <DM> She'll need to spend a fair bit of time in Elan, learning about the normal Gnomish contracptions
[21:03] <Kasin> I guess Kasin decides on her own command support staff (signalers, stewards (=Wilfred anyway), runners, etc
[21:03] <Kasin> nod
[21:03] <DM> Yep
[21:03] <alamark> I think we're going to have to get some pretty fast messenger
[21:03] <Kasin> well, Kelvor gets a promotion :
[21:03] <DM> BTW, do you want Reben in charge of the Letnorian part of the army
[21:03] <Kasin> I don't think thats practica
[21:03] <alamark> Does Elan and Tanet have anyone appropriate
[21:03] <Kasin> noone knows him, and he knows no-one - ye
[21:03] <DM> Not really, that's why I asked
[21:04] <alamark> OOC: Make him second-in-charg
[21:04] <Kasin> Kelvor is the current 2IC, so he will do evern more stuff no
[21:04] <DM> No, that won't work.
[21:04] <Kasin> I think Reben would be best, currently, as an adviso
[21:04] <alamark> Do Elan and Tanet have any means (presumably magical) to send messages
[21:04] <DM> Yep. He can train Kasin in how to run the army. :) And Kelvor as well
[21:04] <Kasin> he probably doesn't want to be thrown into the position anywa
[21:04] <alamark> re: Reben - whateve
[21:05] <Kasin> thats what Kasin is thinking of. having reben around to help her out and teahc he
[21:05] <DM> There's a fair chance that Talan will end up running the Tanetian part of the army
[21:05] <Kasin> we din't have any magical means anywa
[21:05] <Kasin> nod
[21:05] <DM> Elan is uncertain.
[21:06] <DM> Nope. No magical stuff, really
[21:06] <Kasin> well, they will have to schedule troops training togethe
[21:06] <Kasin> letnor alkready trains some of the dwarves anwya
[21:06] <DM> Elan uses flags on long poles. Sometimes flares
[21:06] <DM> Yep
[21:06] <Kasin> letnor uses flags
[21:06] <alamark> And between countries
[21:06] <Kasin> well, the "new" troops use flags anywa
[21:06] <alamark> Between capitals?
[21:06] <Kasin> hmm, thats a problem
[21:07] <Kasin> on a fast horse, it's not too far thoug
[21:07] <DM> Communication between capitols? The gnomes can work on something
[21:07] <Kasin> aggghhh
[21:07] * DM shudders.
[21:07] <DM> Does anyone remember Letnor in flames? Now you know why? The gnomes sent a sneeze to strongly
[21:08] <DM> Anyway...
[21:08] <DM> communication will be a problem. Maybe something to look into getting some items for
[21:08] <alamark> No, I meant, almost instantaneous
[21:08] <Kasin> a very good idea
[21:08] <alamark> Exactly
[21:08] <Kasin> Kasin loved radios
[21:09] <Kasin> and satelite recon, and, and, and..
[21:09] <Kasin> now all we have is Mitsumi :
[21:09] <Kasin> ok, anything else to be decicded on
[21:09] <DM> For a start good roads should be built between the capitols. Makes marching armies easier
[21:09] <alamark> Agreed. But in the meantime
[21:10] <DM> You guys, basically. And teams of couriers with horses
[21:10] <Kasin> hmm, Field Marshall Kasin, Commander in Chief, Silent States Army
[21:10] * DM sighs.
[21:10] <Kasin> glenn grins
[21:10] <Kasin> yes, couriers are the way to g
[21:10] <Kasin> for the moment
[21:11] <alamark> I think we should have a system so that our messengers can have horses reserved in each country
[21:11] <Kasin> can't find my letnor map..
[21:11] <DM> That's about it?
[21:11] <DM> Sounds good.
[21:11] <Kasin> yep
[21:12] <Kasin> we will have to do something about the mercenary companies we are currently employing as well, sometim
[21:12] <Kasin> thats for the king to decide th
[21:12] <alamark> Yep
[21:13] <alamark> What about "military exercises"
[21:13] <Kasin> I guess that is organise
[21:13] <Kasin> we already have several thousand troops on the way to Elan, they might as well practice when they get ther
[21:13] <DM> Exexrcises can be said to have been discussed
[21:13] <Kasin> actually, they could already be there, given the tim
[21:13] <DM> They will do some stuff there. What more is there to say IC
[21:13] <DM> :)
[21:13] <Kasin> given they were cavalr
[21:14] <Kasin> nothing really
[21:14] <Kasin> wrt the council anyway
[21:14] <DM> The cavalry? Oh yes. They should be there by now then
[21:14] <Kasin> oooc: glenn is amused. Kasin is not
[21:14] * DM grins hugely.
[21:15] <Kasin> i knew it tho, and so did sh
[21:15] <alamark> When is the next meeting of the war and trade councils
[21:15] <DM> Yep
[21:15] <DM> Renik won't be amused either
[21:15] <Kasin> the trade council meeting is a while of
[21:16] <Kasin> I think we can wrap up the war counci
[21:16] <DM> Yep. Sophie agree?
[21:16] <Kasin> we will go each of the places in the next 5-7 days to pick people up for the excusrion northwards
[21:17] <DM> OK.
[21:17] <alamark> yes, except i want the cavalry thing clarified
[21:17] <Kasin> ?
[21:17] <DM> ???
[21:17] <alamark> Where arr they going, whose and for what reason?
[21:17] <DM> Letnors. To the border with Kaldanir. To hold "exercises".
[21:17] <Kasin> they are ours, to Elan, arrnaged about 5 sessions ago
[21:18] <alamark> That' right
[21:18] <alamark> OK
[21:18] <DM> OK, war meeting over? The delegates get 'ported home?
[21:18] <alamark> Yep
[21:18] <Kasin> yep
[21:19] <alamark> So what does Mitsumi find out over the next few days?
[21:19] <alamark> Or does something happen?
[21:19] <Kasin> Kasin will have that talk with Renik, don't think it needs to be played out
[21:19] <alamark>
[21:19] <Kasin> oh, she wants to talk to Krell tho
[21:19] <Kasin> will be very uick :)
[21:19] <Kasin> quick
[21:19] <alamark> ah, before I forget - hannes other wondows
[21:19] *** DM changes topic to 'In the Castle (Kasin, Alamark, Renik, Mitsumi, Daegar, Girak, Allandrak, Orbit, )'
[21:20] <DM> OK. Both talk to him at the same time... :)
[21:20] <Kasin> hah
[21:39] <DM> Unfortunately I'm getting lots of hints that they'd like me to leave real soonish... :(
[21:40] <alamark> OK
[21:40] <Kasin> rats
[21:40] <Kasin> can you answer my last querstion anyway?
[21:40] <DM> yeah, I know.
[21:40] <alamark> Is anything going to happen before we get the div info? (tell us next time)
[21:41] <Kasin> when is next session, and xp.
[21:41] <alamark> ooc: and when do you next want to meet?
[21:41] <DM> Hopefully next week Dennis will have found his password so I can use the laptop at home.
[21:41] <alamark> nod
[21:41] <DM> Nope, you'll get full info and I'll plan the giant's place.
[21:41] <alamark> so no, nothing attacks us or otherwise interrupts?
[21:42] <DM> We can meet next Wed, although possibly Saturday morning as well. Not sure yet.
[21:42] <Kasin> next session time? xp?
[21:42] <alamark> OK
[21:42] <Kasin> ok
[21:42] <alamark> Email us when you know
[21:42] <DM> I probably won't have a car so it'll depend on me having the laptop...
[21:42] <DM> E-mail OK
[21:42] <DM> XP: 20K
[21:42] <Kasin> i was just killed by a monkey in ss2. how embrassing.
[21:42] <alamark> xp xp xp!
[21:42] <alamark> :)
[21:42] <Kasin> ok, catcha next time
[21:43] <alamark> wait for interesting commen
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Session Close: Wed Nov 03 21:43:39 1999