Session Start: Mon Sep 11 19:16:43 2000 [19:16] *** Now talking in #rpg2 [19:16] *** shotan sets mode: +o kasin [19:16] *** shotan sets mode: +o GM [19:16] t 968671178: Automatically banned for excessive connections` адП аЭн [19:16] *** shotan has quit IRC [19:16] -Oslo1.NO.EU.Undernet.org- *** Notice -- uworld.undernet.org adding GLINE for *@62.45.30.145, expiring at 968672437: Misconfigured Wingate or Proxy Server -visit http://help.undernet.org/proxysca [19:16] * kasin shrug [19:17] hol don [19:17] Nope, I don't see all that. [19:17] I'd suggest that was on undernet :) [19:17] Maybe it was because I was on dreamnet and undernet [19:17] I'd say so [19:17] anyway.... [19:17] brb [19:17] *** alamark has left #rpg2 [19:18] *** alamark has joined #rpg2 [19:18] op me [19:19] *** GM sets mode: +o alamark [19:19] What, no 'please'? :) [19:19] "please sir, can I be opped?" [19:20] * GM spanks Kasin. [19:20] where we last left it, we were discussing Elenil [19:20] after that, Kasin wanted to have a chat with various people... [19:20] Yep. [19:20] ...during which alamark tells kasin that he has a link with Kasana [19:21] thats where it has ended [19:22] OK. [19:22] I say that we get rid of this dragon [19:22] OOC: I wish I hadn't said anything now [19:22] Reben: It could be helpful. [19:23] how? [19:23] Reben: It's big and tough, right? So it can probably help somehow. [19:23] well, it said that it could help me in combat - healing and such [19:23] Reben: Sounds useful. [19:24] in that case, why don't we go find some evil priests and offer them positions in the party? [19:24] * alamark sighs [19:24] Reben: if you want to trap them in a sword first then fine by me. [19:25] * kasin shakes her head [19:25] ok, so we threaten them with death if they get out of line. same effect really isn't it? [19:26] That dragon was very, very evil [19:26] so evil I could detect it through meters of gold [19:26] Reben: Well, show me an evil priest that's been with the party for ... how long? .. and then make the comparison. [19:26] Reben: Hmm... that's bad. [19:26] Yes, exactly [19:27] It's not the same - it's merely hiding out in the sword from Malchard [19:27] assuming it is what it said it is [19:27] Kasana: I agree with Kasin; we should get rid of it pronto. The only question is how. [19:28] amazing [19:28] why do you say this Kasana? [19:28] K (grins at K) Well, I have to agree with you ocasionally to keep you on your toes. [19:28] K (more seriously) But mainly because... [19:29] K: ...something _that_ nasty can spring an awful surprise if it catches us at the wrong moment. [19:29] K: I don't feel like trusting that it won't. [19:29] it has had the oppurtunity to watch us for decades [19:29] however, we probably can't actually get rid of it [19:30] by just killing it [19:30] K: True. But it's a case of the worst case being much worse than the best case is good. I don't care if it's converted to Nirgal, it should go. [19:30] K: Then how? [19:30] * kasin shrugs [19:31] aside from turning it over to Malchard, which I said I wouldn't do, I don't know. [19:31] It must be immortal [19:32] I'm not wielding Elenil until it's gone, unless it's really necessary [19:33] *** Other has joined #rpg2 [19:33] *** Other is now known as DM [19:33] * DM sighs [19:33] Lost everything after Kasin mentioned giving the dragon to Malkard. [19:34] kasin: It must be immortal [19:34] kasin: I'm not wielding Elenil until it's gone, unless it's really necessary [19:35] K: It's going to get suspicious of your motives if you don't at least carry it around. [19:35] kasin: It must be immortal [19:35] kasin: I'm not wielding Elenil until it's gone, unless it's really necessary [19:36] * kasin waits [19:36] (Did you repeat that for a reason, Alamark?) [19:37] * kasin waits [19:37] K looks at Kasin, waiting. [19:37] (oh) [19:37] (sophie's crashed again!) [19:37] (Great!) [19:37] (she only crashes during irc...) [19:37] (What is she using?) [19:38] (dunno) [19:38] (my mac never crashes with ircf, but it's a time limited client. I've told her to get another client) [19:38] * DM nods. [19:39] suspicious? So? It's not like it's going to think I' [19:39] I'm going to like it [19:39] *** alamark has quit IRC (Read error to alamark[host88.ichr.uwa.edu.au]: Connection reset by peer) [19:39] (Shall we wait for Sophie to get back?) [19:40] *** GM has quit IRC (Read error to GM[j12.mri32.jaring.my]: Operation timed out) [19:40] (ok) [19:41] You got the DMG today? [19:41] *** alamark has joined #rpg2 [19:42] yep [19:42] nice [19:42] * DM sighs deeply. [19:42] Haven't got PHB yet. :( [19:42] what did i miss? [19:42] *** kasin sets mode: +o alamark [19:42] *** kasin sets mode: +o DM [19:43] whatw as the last thoing youi saw? [19:43] can't remember [19:44] K looks at Kasin, waiting. [19:44] suspicious? So? It's not like it's going to think I' [19:44] I'm going to like it [19:44] (thats it) [19:44] ok [19:44] * kasin waits [19:45] K: No, but maybe it thinks you'll use it anyway. I mean, why tell us otherwise? [19:46] I assume so [19:46] It probably thinks I would be nice to it, based on my track record [19:46] R: No, it still doesn't make sense. It's just _too_ nasty. [19:47] R: There's no way you could abide something so very evil. [19:47] * kasin shrugs [19:47] well, maybe it's wants out [19:47] "don't throw me in that briar patch!" [19:48] Hmm, good point [19:48] R: Do you think that maybe it's actually trapped in there? [19:49] it said that it could kill someone and take their body, but that would be bad form [19:49] R: I wonder if it was telling the truth. Maybe it can't get out and wants us to release it somehow? [19:49] I'm not even sure it is really the dragon - I did mention the idea about the dragon in Elenil's presence [19:49] R: There is that. [19:51] M: So what now? [19:51] Don't know [19:51] M: I think we need to find a way of figuring out what's really going on. [19:51] * kasin nods [19:51] in regard to life in general really [19:52] R: Maybe I should try to talk to it. There's a small chance that my truth-sensing may work on it. [19:53] ummm, if you like [19:53] be careful though [19:53] R: No, I don't like at all actually. [19:53] M: I think it's a bad idea. It almost certainly knows about your ability - so if it talks to you... well. [19:53] R nods slowly. [19:54] Kasana: Maybe we should let Beorn eat Elenil and see what happens. [19:54] Umm [19:54] Kasana (to A) A joke. [19:54] * kasin sighs [19:54] Ah [19:54] Remember, Elenil itself is innocent in all of this [19:55] K nods. [19:55] M: I suggest that we table this until Nathaniel gets here... assuming he arrives soon, of course. [19:55] M sighs. [19:55] * kasin nods [19:56] Well, I would ike to return to the other plane [19:56] we could ask the marids while we are there [19:56] M: Can we afford to leave Elenil here? I don't really want the dragon - or whatever - along for the ride. [19:56] I'm not taking him [19:57] maybe it has something to do with the other dragon [19:57] never did really understand that [19:57] M: But what if the being comes out of Elenil while we're gone. It'd be in here. [19:57] M: Not that we can leave it anywhere less protected than here, of course. [19:58] ok, so it comes out in the middle of the night, while we are here, and does whatever [19:58] M: Like tear down the castle and eat everyone, say... [19:59] R: Not all of us will be going back to that plane. [19:59] M: So we're going to maybe tackle it with divided forces? Better and better. [20:00] tackle what? [20:00] M: Whatever is in Elenil. [20:00] tackle it? why are you assuming we will need to tackle it? [20:00] R: (to M) You're being very pessimistic. [20:00] M: Worst-case scenario. We have to consider it. [20:01] M: What if it figures we're going off to find a way to get rid of it and it decides to act first? [20:01] I have an idea [20:01] M: It's unlikely, I know, but... (pauses and looks at Alamark) [20:01] We could put Elenil in the rod of security, then put the rod in the anti-magic room [20:01] That should make it hard for him to leave [20:02] M: Anti-magicing a rod fo security should cause it to eject its contents. [20:02] hmmm [20:02] oh well [20:02] M: Of course, if someone were to take the rod with them ... no, then the being could get out, overpower them and take the rod to use. [20:02] M: (to A) Good idea though. [20:03] on the other hand, the dragon could get out, roast us all over a slow fire with marshmellows, and go off to start a career tap dancing [20:03] M: If it can do that, then there's little we can do to prevent it. [20:03] item 1 - the magic is beyond us [20:03] M: We have to assume that we have a chance against it. [20:03] * kasin shakes her head [20:04] no, we don't. the magic is beyond us right? [20:04] M: Umm... yes. [20:04] that fact alone means it is _not necessarily_ even able to be affected by us at all! [20:04] M: But if have no chance against it then we may as well assume it's not coming out. [20:05] yes, we can mimmise risks - but only to a point [20:05] We could leave elenil in a basin full of holy water or something [20:05] that could help [20:05] R: Holy water didn't seem to do much. But it might help. [20:06] K: We could put it in that mirror of life trapping. [20:06] that woul be even better [20:06] all we need is a creature we don't mind trapping [20:06] K: Of course, we'd need to get a creature to take it in... [20:07] K: But we could probably find a minor nasty somewhere. [20:07] (Actually, what did you do with the mirror? Did you maybe donate it to Morn?) [20:08] (no, it's ion the temple of morn) [20:08] I believe so, or was it just the demon? [20:08] (the demon in the mirror is having scripture read to it for several hours a day) [20:08] (It was in the temple, and I seem to remember you ended up sending the demon to Morn's plane - I just can't remember if you sent the mirror a well.) [20:08] don't actually know who owns the mirror now [20:09] (don't remember this) [20:09] (Ah well... I guess it's still in the temple if we have no records to the contrary.) [20:10] notjing in the logs [20:11] R: So who or what takes Elenil into the mirror? [20:11] R: Remember that it might fall under the beings influence... [20:11] can a mage summon a minor nasty? [20:12] I think we gave the whole mirror. How else would we have presented the demon to Morn? [20:12] which it? [20:13] R: Yes, but I don't really feel right in having something summoned when it might not actually be hurting something. [20:13] (don't remember giving the demon to morn for that matter) [20:13] ok, so we can't do it then [20:13] (I distinctly remember the demon going to Morn's plane after quite some time.) [20:14] (ok) [20:14] so...either we take Elenil along, or we leave it here [20:15] (Actually, given the state of the temple of Morn after the demon attack ... hmm..) [20:15] (true) [20:16] (Look, I really don't know. How about we assume the mirror was there - sans demons - and I'll roll to see if it survived the attack.) [20:16] (ok) [20:16] (I've rolled - the mirror survived the attack and is currently filled with manes.) [20:17] (heh heh heh) [20:17] (protected the temple of morn :) [20:17] R: We can just release one of the demons inside, hand it Elenil, and then entrap it again I guess. [20:17] We could release a mane and send it back [20:18] :) [20:18] R nods to A. [20:18] Great minds think alike [20:18] I'd prefer not to subect Elenil to this [20:18] M nods to K. [20:18] Elenil may not be intelligent at all, you know [20:19] R: (to K) It's not nice, but what are the alternatives? trusting the being or trusting that we can beat it if necessary. [20:19] I know, I know [20:19] ne interesting fact (to A), the dragon said that elenil isn't inteligent, but has a personality [20:20] keeps missing the zidi, and the dragon is also having dreams about the zidi now too [20:21] R: Interesting. If true, that is. [20:21] * kasin nods [20:21] well, lets get to it then [20:23] R: So we're trapping Elenil? [20:23] Yes [20:24] R: OK, to the temple. [20:24] (You head to the temple.) [20:24] yep [20:25] (before we get Elenil...) [20:25] (OK?) [20:25] We had best be careful, the being may try something when it realises [20:25] be ready [20:26] R nods soberly. [20:26] (ok, we go) [20:26] (OK, you grab Elenil?) [20:26] (yes) [20:27] (and you go to the temple?) [20:27] (yes) [20:28] OK, you arrive there without incident. [20:29] into the temple [20:29] OK, you get to where the mirror is kept. [20:29] don't really want to open it inside anyway [20:30] * DM nods. [20:30] So where do you take the mirror? [20:31] outside, out the back if there is one [20:31] The mirror will be kept at the gate temple - there will be a small training area. [20:32] * alamark nods [20:32] is there a back area? outside the temple proper? [20:33] Not really, although there will be a square ... but there's normally lots of people passing through. [20:34] not good then [20:34] how big is the gate-temple? [20:34] how about an alley? :) [20:34] Much larger than the old one. [20:35] (hmmm, yes, the king, queen, various arch-mages, rulers of neighbouring countries, etc are keeping a low profile in that alley over there [20:35] * DM spanks Kasin. [20:35] The temple is gate - no alleys next to it. [20:35] Lets take the thing elsewhere [20:37] (Where?) [20:37] inside the castle? [20:37] Or the palace [20:37] Hmm... more extra-d recursion. :) [20:38] inside a mirror, inside a stall, inside the barn, inside a castle, on an island [20:38] :) [20:38] castle [20:38] You make it back to the castle without incident. [20:39] ok [20:39] ok, find a spot somewhere, open the mirror [20:40] *** DM changes topic to 'The castle, the mirror and the sword.' [20:41] don't look at the mirror peoples [20:41] *** DM is now known as GM [20:41] People will avert their eyes. [20:42] uncover the mirror [20:42] You do so. [20:42] yep [20:43] (shall we speed it up a bit, or do you want details?) [20:43] Details for now. [20:43] (ok) [20:44] sumoon the contents of a particular cell, kasin ready to grab the thing when it come sout [20:44] You call up a demon and release it? [20:45] yep [20:45] Where will evrybody be standing? [20:45] given we have to release it, we can't just call it and leave it hanging [20:46] Kasin right next to it, on one side, ready to knock the mirror over or grab it if necessary [20:46] everyone else wherever they please, they can make their own decisions [20:47] Alamark? [20:47] I'll be in front, but some distance away [20:47] How far is some distance? Roughly? [20:48] say... 20-30 feet away [20:49] OK, what are you going to do when the manes is released? Kasin attempts to grab it. Alamark? [20:50] How many manes emerge? [20:50] should be only one [20:50] You won't see that if you're still averting your eyes. [20:51] (can I check the DMG?) [20:51] I'll lower my head and watch the ground in front of the mirror [20:51] (Only if Kasin wanders off to do the same.) [20:51] (Actually guys... it doesn't matter.) [20:52] (why?) [20:52] (Your release the demon - nothing happens.) [20:53] hmmm, maybe due to the castle? [20:53] lets try a different cell [20:53] (Oops... actuallu - hold on - looking up notes...) [20:53] * GM grubles to himself. [20:54] (sigh) [20:54] (Sorry guys - the manes does come out!) [20:54] (ok!) [20:54] * kasin tries to grab it [20:54] Alamark will see one pair of clawed feet. Kasin can make an attack roll - it's taking off. [20:54] (running) [20:55] hang on [20:55] I'll only grab for it if it comes near me [20:56] trying to connect dicebot... [20:56] just roll for me [20:57] (Kiasn's not going to miss!) [20:57] (thaco is negative for this) [20:57] (Guess what I rolled - a 1.) [20:57] (ok, well she might miss) [20:57] (Follower by a 16) [20:57] (followed...) [20:58] (works) [20:58] ummm, maybe still a hit [20:58] that hits DV 20 [21:00] What would this come under? Wrestling? [21:00] yes [21:01] Do you know if there's a penalty for not an opponent immune to non-magical attacks? [21:01] hang on [21:02] OOC: Manes are immune to non-magical attacks? [21:02] OOC: All Tanari are, AFAIK. [21:02] OOC: That's why you had things like cold steel weapons and that emissary of Morn with his speccy ability. [21:03] dont have C&T here, quite possibly there is [21:03] nor is it on the CD by the looks [21:03] yes it is [21:04] (I'll say you grab it. It's the likely outcome.) [21:04] (ok. there is a penaly: -1) [21:04] Kasin grabs the manes, who attempts to struggle away. [21:04] * kasin tries to keep it held [21:04] hand me elenil someone! [21:05] (Opposed strength check..) [21:06] (sigh. fail big time. oops, no I don;t!) [21:06] better, roll an 18 :) [21:06] You keep hold of it. [21:07] Someone will hand you Elenil. [21:07] I guess whoever's holding elenil will pass him over [21:07] The manes head-butts Kasin's face! [21:07] (Hopefully not _into_ the manes) [21:08] The manes will be trying to claw at you while struggling. [21:09] oh well [21:09] I'll move over slowly and make a grab for one of its limbs [21:10] * kasin waits [21:10] It will start to claw at you with the limb you're reaching for. [21:10] (ACs people?) [21:11] 21 [21:11] 20 [21:11] (23, it's eveil) [21:12] sorry 23 [21:12] keep forgetting I have a ring +5 now [21:13] OK... the demons tries to scratch at the two of you but doesn't get through various protections. [21:13] Alamark will lost a stoneskin, if he has one. [21:13] ok [21:13] Alamark, you can attempt a grab at an arm. [21:14] I guess that makes then [21:14] What DV? [21:14] Actually yeah, it'll make. [21:15] * kasin continues [21:15] OK, now make a strenght check and a save vs spells. [21:16] (both?) [21:16] (NO, just alamark) [21:16] :) [21:17] Well,m that was either great or crap [21:17] 1 [21:17] Was that the save or the strenght check? [21:18] Sophie? [21:18] strnegth [21:18] OK, save then. [21:19] make by 4 [21:19] (mny save vs spells is -1) [21:19] As you look up to grab the arm, you catch a glimpse of your reflection during the struggle ... but resist the pull of the mirror. [21:20] However the manes wrenches its arm free. [21:20] I'll hold it, you tie elenil on after I have put it secure [21:20] * kasin tries to grab it's arms and sit on it if necessary [21:21] You wrestle it to the ground ... make an attack roll and a strength check, in that order. [21:22] well that was close [21:22] * kasin waits for the dicebot [21:23] make both easily [21:23] OK, you throw it onto the ground and pin it, grabbing it's arms. [21:24] Alamark, tie elenil onto him [21:25] I do so [21:25] You do so. [21:26] good. [21:26] I'm going to show it to the mirror [21:26] * kasin tries to do just that [21:27] (but will let go when she does so) [21:27] You force the Manes around until it is facing the mirror. [21:27] It continues its struggles. (Strength) [21:28] (multi-rolls for high stat) [21:28] roll 16 [21:28] You keep it held, facing in that direction. [21:28] R: It's closed its eyes. [21:29] arrghhh [21:29] well, someone give me a hand then [21:30] what do you want me to do [21:30] Renik moves forwards. [21:31] R: Yes, what should we do now? [21:31] If anyone is holding it, will they be draw into the mirror as well? [21:32] R looks at Alamark. [21:32] d20 [21:32] Made magical appraising check byb 16 [21:33] You don't think so. [21:35] Don't think so [21:35] try and force it's eyes open then [21:36] Kasana sighs. [21:36] K: Let me. [21:36] I'm sure this is very funny to you Kasana, how about helping [21:36] Kasana begins a spell. [21:37] Kasana finishes her spell... [21:37] Kasana starts another spell - you'll recognise this one as tongues. [21:38] Kasana finishes this as well... [21:38] K says something to the manes in a horrible language. [21:39] The manes grunts, and Kasana says something else ... and the manes disappears. [21:39] Thanks [21:39] thanks [21:39] K nods briefly. [21:39] I move over to the covering for the mirror [21:39] right, now gets on with going back or whatnot [21:40] R: Sounds good. [21:40] K: What's next? [21:40] go back to that place I assume [21:41] unless anyone has anything better to suggest? [21:41] You're referring to the marids I assume? [21:41] R: Sounds good. [21:41] M: I can't planeshift today. Been memorising all divs. [21:42] yes, the marids [21:42] ok, tomorrow then [21:42] M nods. [21:42] right! [21:42] (The night passes? Or do you do something?) [21:42] (passes) [21:43]